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The truth about the ice box.
I have got to tell you, having spent the better part of the day becoming intimately acquainted with the ice box on Faith, I have come away impressed.
Say what you will about those (often) drunken Portuguese fishermen that I understand were the majority of the workcrew at Pearson when our boats were being assembled, I am impressed (I think that is who I should put it).
I have a buddy who does cabinet work. If he assembled cabinets like these guys built this ice box, it would take approximately 8 years to remodel a single kitchen.
TO back up,
I have a confession. I like my ice box (now past tense). I like my cabinets, the hanging locker, I even like the original Monel water tank up forward. I drank water out of it all summer and there ain't a thing wrong with me......
Well, anyway.
The problem is that I have never used my Ice box as an ice box. I use it as dry storage. I know that I would not use it while cruising, and frankly don't have a great need for lot's of cold storage anyway. (medium cooler suits me fine).
The ice box is very inefficient for dry storage (with all the space taken up by insulation), and I wanted to remove the lid from my favorite lounging spot in the cockpit anyway (as well as remove the potential off-shore liability).
Today was too damp to epoxy the holes left by the removal of the jib tracks. So the ice box was bumped to the top of the list.
Here is what my old friend looked like before I started.
I know, shameful. It was always good for collecting all the junk that piled up as I was working on everything else. The purple magazine rack..... that I will not miss. :D
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The insulation around the frame
Here is the insulation behind the front. Now, if this were it I would not think too much of it. The design goes on.....
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An idea of where I am going...
Here it is with the original base in place. I will not be using it, except as a pattern but it gives a good idea of the size of table.
Just right for the manual! :D
I am leaving the side of the old ice box (inboard) to partition the space. It should keep the pots and pans from sliding ALL the way across the counter..... At least I hope. :D
The purple magazine rack.
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Did you have to take 1, 2, or more deep breaths before you started the destruction?
I am maybe a little but overly reverent about such things. I was actually a little uneasy about destroying this thing. I feel like it has endured for 40 years, and once gone it can not be put back. I want to make it better, and hope that this feeling translates into doing the work well.
Time will tell.
As for the purple magazine rack, sadly it was destroyed in the effort. :p
Gnawed it out like a dog.
I basically gnawed it out like a dog.
I was prying, and pulling. The plywood tore as I pried it where I could not reach the screw heads (mainly the ones run from the inside that had been glassed over). I avoided the hammer, as much to keep from poking my eye out as anything :eek:
Yes, I am a student of celestial. I have a brass sextant, and a Davis 25 both. I have the theory down pat, and can successfully get a fix, at any time of day in any sea state that will firmly establish which hemisphere I am in. :D
I am going for the 'faired as though it had not been there' look. I like the concept, and the execution in the manual is excellent but I would rather not have to protect the lexan window. I want it to be very strong (thick fiberglass, well attached) and fair. I also like to lean up against the cabin at anchor and the refer door has not been a comfortable perch.
The inside will be cut clean, and trimmed. I plan to put a small shelf where the ice box top once was, as it is a handy place to reach down to when topside for small items like the hand bearing compass.
I have a small 10w 12v halogen fixture purchased from the poor mans 'WM'
that will mount nicely under the shelf and should be hidden from view by the overhang, as well as a pair of red led clusters for night time use.
Couple of thought & updates
As the project continues, a couple of thoughts that might be helpful;
First an observation;
After removing the ice box, I noticed the boot stripe on the starboard side showed more.
I doubt that was the weight of the ice box it’s self, but rather the canned goods I had stowed there, being so far outboard. I can clearly see 1.5"-2" of the boot stripe that was not visible before.
The list was not so pronounced that I had ever noticed it before I removed the icebox. I think it probably came and went as I stocked and depleted my pantry which happens regularly as I kinda a semi-live-aboard.
Notes on the conversion;
You can kind of see in the picture in post #7, the cabin liner appears to 'frown' with the outer edges being lower then center. The cockpit seats also are lower at their outer edges then they are at the inside.
The cockpit seat bottom is not parallel to the chart table, or the cabin sole, or (or what ever plane you would chose as a benchmark). I plan to mount a small shelf at approximately the same height as the old ice box top. I have decided to mount it in front of, rather then under, the liner to account for this.
Do not underestimate the depth of the hole you will have to fill once you remove this lip. :eek: I epoxy-glassed 3/8" to the bottom and then laid up many layers of roving. If I had it to do over, I would have filled the center with a 1/4 ply core and laid more roving over the top. I kind of feel like a worker at the Pearson factory in that I lost track of how many layers of roving I laid up in that hole. Let's just say it is plenty thick. :rolleyes:
Also;
*Cutting the lip out of the deck brought out the 'lip liner' as well. This additional flap of fiberglass was not attached to anything but the underside of the lip. I realize that this will make little or no sense with no picture, or if you are not in the middle of this job. It may, however be helpful to someone who is scratching their head as I was 3 days ago.
Got the fairing compound over it yesterday afternoon, hope to sand it and get the topcoat in the cockpit this weekend. Then again, I might knock the dust off and go sailing.
Decisions decisions........
* I wish I had a picture, but may help if you do the job.
Making peace with the original interior.
[size=3] I am now attempting to make peace with the general lines of the remainder of the original interior in #226.[/size]
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[size=3] I have grown tired of tripping over the large box of stuff I removed from the ice box when I tore it out as I have worked on other projects. The natural place to put them is in the bottom cabinet under the drawers on the port side, but alas that is already occupied. :( [/size]
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[size=3] I took a few pictures of the mess aboard 'Faith' but am too embarassed to post them, let's sufice to say I need more stowage room. :o One mod I did not seem to find in the archives was to convert the hanging locker into a cabinet. Now, I know that there is a danger in loading too much stuff into it, but with prudence I think it will be ok.[/size]
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[size=3] Here is what I am thinking. Remove the coat bar, not a real loss since it only holds a couple coats anyway. Then put 2 or 3 shelves on cleats, with barrel bolts on top to make sure they don't pop out in foul weather.[/size]
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[size=3] Maybe something like this;[/size]
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[size=3]Top Shelf 12”: (light stuff) Bread, chips, nuts, etc.[/size]
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[size=3]Middle shelf 14”: Autohelm, Sextant, Flare kit, First Aid kit[/size]
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[size=3]Bottom Shelf: Plastic storage box with pantry items formerly under drawers on port side.[/size]
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Bottom cabinet under drawer on port side: Canned goods formerly in ice box.
Thoughts?
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The small shelf above the chart table.
Took a couple pictures of the shelf. The first is the 'cleat' it rests on. It is more of a sill really. It is 20 1/4" and 2"high (5/8" thick) mohagany very much like the companion way is is next to. I countersunk 6 screws up from below to attach the shelf from the bottom.
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Beautiful formica countertop material... Now, what color is that????
You will notice in this view, I have elected to retain the original blue/green (?)formica countertop material.
After attempting to get the laminate to stick to it, and then taking great pains to clean it I decided it was not so bad after all. :)
The shelf is about right, might have been left an inch or so deeper, but not much more then that. The things that will stay there under way are pretty small any way, and one of the big pluses of removing the ice box is having the space open.
I left the part that wraps around the side intact. I have kept my parallel rule there, plus it strengthens the shelf considerably.
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More accessable storage space.
Another idea to gain access to storage space, is to open up the area under the companionway.
I asked if anyone had an extra cabinet door a while back, and Ebb sent me one from #338. (Thanks Ebb). :)
I measured it out and cut an opening. Of course you can already access half this space from the other door, but the sink drain limits the use of this. THen you can lift out the step, but mine was so tight, I rarely did so it was effectively lost.
It is lost no more. :cool:
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24" down low and on centerline.
#226 has a platform sitting approximately 6" aft of the bulkhead. It is large enough for two large deep cycle batteries. It is about where, (probably fwd of where) the A-4 would be. That gives about the depth of the counter....
.....something like 24" of free space behind that door. Of course there is as much space behind original door under the sink, but the darn sink drain makes that space hard to get at.
I did not post this because I had not painted the inside of the sole yet. I know, I know, but the standard here is so blasted high. :D Anyway, here it is. In all it's un-repaintedness. The basket seen inside is something like 8" x 12"
Oh yea, and the other foolishness you will notice in the picture is the mini bungee. That is a temp, till I can find some kind of latch to approximate the original function.
From the Long Lost Pearson Co. Archives
These tapes were found in an old moldy bin in a warehouse in RI, and may go a long way towards explaining the construction of the icebox...
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Voice #1 (Pearson pres.?): OK, so we're gonna put an icebox in these baby Tritons?
Voice #2 (Swedish sounding): Yes, I think it will add to the functionality and appeal of the boat I designed.
Voice #3 (Portugese sounding, slightly slurred): Bueno! We can keep our cold, um, drinks - yes, cold soft drinks in there while we work on ze boats!
V1: OK, iceboxes it is then. Were will they be located?
V2: Starboard corner of the cabin, up high, with a reach-through from the cockpit.
V1: Ah! Good idea! Lots of sailors will find that convienent!
V3: Bueno again! We can reach into the iceboxes for our soft drinks when working without having to go below!
V1: Um... How are we supposed to make them?
(phone ringing in background)
V2 has a muted phone conversation, mostly heard is something like "Ya......Ya...Okay then."
V2: I have to go, someone wants me to draw a 35 footer. Goodbye! (sound of door shutting moments later)
V1: OK, since he's gone, I'm making a judgement call on this. We need those iceboxes built strongly. Heavens knows that sailors will need uncontaminated beer if the Red Menace launches a nuclear strike.
V2: Si.
V1: OK, make them with 3" of insulation, so the drinks stay cold along time.
V2: Um, Senor, there is not room enough for that much insulation...
V1: OK then. Hmmm. Alright, do this - make them of plenty of wood, as much wood as you can fit into that space. Put just enough insulation so that we can legally say it is in there. Then, use lots and lots and lotsof flathead bronze screws to put the things together. Make it so hard to take apart that noone will ever know how little insulation is in there. Put screws, lots of them, in inaccesible spots. Countersink those, fill in the holes, and paint over those spots afterwards to hide the screw holes. Where screws are accessible, cover them with fiberglass or formica adhesive. Line the interior with enough glass that someone would have to chisel it out to get to the screwheads. And for every screw that you put in, I want *at least* 2 nails elsewhere to make it even harder to take apart. There will come a day when someone will discover the lack of insulation, and we don't want to get sued over that...
V2: (sound of a slight burp) Si, Senor...
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Yes, Craig, I took my icebox out today. :D Phew! Wasn't planned, I am getting ready to make Interior Cabinets Prototype #1, and I took off the door. Then I started on the formica on the face. Then I took off the upper trim. Then I...
3 hours later, all that's left is the vertical plywood by the steps. I'm not sure what I'm going to do with that yet, though I may opt for the small shelf idea like you did.
Man, I'm glad that's over. I'm itchy.
The new icebox is going into the space below the old one. Can't think of any other good way to use that space, once I have cabinetry in the area forward of there.
"Gnawed It Out Like A Dog"
Well, another IceBox bites the dust! I took a Milwaukee Sawzall and went after the dang thing---- not being at all bashfull about it. Took it on like I was breaking out of jail. Chewed, chopped, gnawed (as in previous posts), sliced, yanked, butchered! Yep, it all came out in about an hour and a half. I took the base piece of plywood and cut out a new one, put it in with a new front piece of teak trim, and presto! A big empty space.
Wired in a new 12V and 110v outlet at the back and then, put in a new Engel freezer/refigerator after reading up on building reefers, what the market offers, and then which one to buy for lowest energy draw. I got the Engel MT17, not really big, but lots of room considering you don't feed it any ice. Not cheap, but will last longer than I will. Battery draw is way low. The latest compressor design has one moving part-- quiet and much more efficient than the previous model. I set mine on about 36 degrees and I'm averaging about 1.2 amps on 12volts. You can switch to ac when plugged in at the dock. This reefer is not a toy. Built tough, sturdy, real quality.
I've got 300 amp hr battery bank, so I can run it here in the Texas heat for several days and not take the bank down very far. I'm still using a 60 watt solar panel for charging. I typically use the boat for two or three day cruises, then it sits at the dock for a week, so the panel has the bank back to 100% no matter what I drained out of the bank on the last trip.
As you can tell, I am thrilled to death that I had the guts to saw out that old piece of ballast that Pearson called an Icebox.